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SERVICES AND MODULES  ·  SOUND AND CHARACTER

Exhaust flap removal

Electronic exhaust valves, how they are controlled, and what happens when an actuator fails.

For car owners

Plain answers for anyone having their own car tuned, serviced or repaired. No account, no tools and no jargon needed.

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342 vehicles and control modules listed. Available to the trade through our file service.

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Diagnostics and ECU

Many performance cars have a valve in the exhaust that opens under load or in a
sport mode and closes when you are cruising. It is how a car passes a drive by noise test
and still sounds like something when you want it to.

When an actuator fails it usually sticks closed, and the car is quiet and slightly
strangled. Replacing the actuator is the repair. The calibration side controls when the
valve opens.

Noise limits still apply. A valve locked open on a car used at unsociable hours is a
decision worth thinking about first.

For the trade

This is one of the jobs available through our dealer file service. Send the
original read, tell us the vehicle and what you need, and the file comes back
checked. If a job carries mechanical conditions on the car, they are listed in the
coverage table below and they apply to your customer’s vehicle too.

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COVERAGE

Vehicles and control modules we cover

Exhaust flap removal is proven on 336 recorded vehicle and control module combinations, across 25 car and van makes. Search for your make or your ECU number below. If yours is not listed it may still be possible, so it is worth asking.

Audi 54 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH EDC17_CP04 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP14 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP20 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP24 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP44 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP54 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_C46 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_C54 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17C64 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17C74 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17CP74 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MD1_CS004 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MD1CS014 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MD1_CS104 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED9.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED9.5.10 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.6 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.21 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.27 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.61 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.62 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.65 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5.2 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5.5 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5.20 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5.21 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH ME17.5.24 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5.25 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH ME17.5.26 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS002 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS008 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS011 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS163 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS164 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 12.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 12.2 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.2 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.3 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.4 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.6 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.10 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 19.3 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 19.6 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 19.7 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
DELPHI DCM6.2V The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH ME7.1.1 No extra steps
BOSCH MED17.1.15 No extra steps
BOSCH MED17.1.63 No extra steps
BOSCH MED17.1.10 No extra steps
Bentley 7 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH MED17.1.1 No extra steps
BOSCH MED17.1.62 No extra steps
BOSCH MED17.1.63 No extra steps
BOSCH ME17.1.1 No extra steps
BOSCH MG1CS008 No extra steps
BOSCH MG1CS163 No extra steps
BOSCH ME7.1.1 No extra steps
BMW 17 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH MEVD17.2 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MEVD17.2.2 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MEVD17.2.3 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MEVD17.2.4 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MEVD17.2.5 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MEVD17.2.6 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MEVD17.2.8 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MEVD17.2.9 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MEVD17.2.G The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MEVD17.2.H The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS003 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS024 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS201 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS MSD80 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS MSD81 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS MSD85 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS MSD87 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
Cupra 12 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH MD1_CS004 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MD1_CS104 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS011 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS163 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS164 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.2 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.3 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.6 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.10 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 19.3 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 19.6 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
Dacia 14 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH EDC17_C11 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_C42 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_C84 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP19 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP45 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP58 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS SID305 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS SID306 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS SID307 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS SID309 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS SID310 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MD1CS006 No extra steps
SIEMENS / CONTINENTAL SID310 No extra steps
BOSCH MD1CS016 No extra steps
Ferrari 2 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH MED9.6.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.3.5 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
Fiat 3 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH MD1CS006 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17C42 No extra steps
BOSCH EDC17C84 No extra steps
Ford 3 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH MG1CS016 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS019 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS036 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
Hyundai 2 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH EDC17_CP14 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
KEFICO CPEGD3.20.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
Infiniti 1 control module
Control module What the job involves
SIEMENS / CONTINENTAL SID310 No extra steps
Jaguar 2 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH EDC17CP55 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.9.9 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
Kia 1 control module
Control module What the job involves
KEFICO CPEGD3.20.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
Lamborghini 3 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH MG1CS038 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS008 No extra steps
BOSCH MED17.1.1 No extra steps
Land Rover 3 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH EDC17CP55 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MD1CP007 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.9.9 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
Maserati 2 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH MED17.3.5 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.3.4 No extra steps
Mercedes 10 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH EDC17C66 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_C84 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
DELPHI CPC2.10 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS SID307 No extra steps
SIEMENS SID310 No extra steps
BOSCH MD1CS006 No extra steps
SIEMENS / CONTINENTAL SID310 No extra steps
SIEMENS / CONTINENTAL SID307 No extra steps
BOSCH MED17.7.1 No extra steps
BOSCH EDC17C42 No extra steps
Mini 1 control module
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH MD1CS001 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
Nissan 15 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH EDC17_C11 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_C42 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_C84 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP19 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_C45 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP58 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MD1CS006 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS SID305 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS SID306 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS SID307 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS SID309 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS SID310 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS / CONTINENTAL SID310 No extra steps
SIEMENS / CONTINENTAL SID307 No extra steps
BOSCH MD1CS016 No extra steps
Opel 2 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH EDC17C42 No extra steps
BOSCH EDC17C84 No extra steps
Porsche 12 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH ME7.8 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CP007 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS002 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS038 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS047 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 19.3 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS SDI10.2 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS008 No extra steps
BOSCH MED17.1.6 No extra steps
BOSCH MED17.1.63 No extra steps
BOSCH MED17.1.11 No extra steps
BOSCH ME7.1.1 No extra steps
Renault 17 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH EDC17_C11 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_C42 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_C84 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP19 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP45 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP58 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MD1CS006 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH ME17.9.23 No extra steps
SIEMENS SID305 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS SID306 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS SID307 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS SID309 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS SID310 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS SIM32 No extra steps
SIEMENS / CONTINENTAL SID310 No extra steps
SIEMENS / CONTINENTAL SID307 No extra steps
BOSCH MD1CS016 No extra steps
Seat 43 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH EDC17_CP04 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP14 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP20 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_C46 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_C54 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17C64 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17C74 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17CP74 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MD1_CS004 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MD1CS014 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED9.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED9.5.10 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.6 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.21 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.27 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.61 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5.2 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5.5 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5.20 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5.21 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH ME17.5.24 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5.25 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH ME17.5.26 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS002 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS011 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS163 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS164 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 12.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 12.2 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.2 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.3 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.4 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.6 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.10 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 19.3 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 19.6 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 19.7 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
DELPHI DCM6.2V The actuator plug must be unplugged.
Skoda 44 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH EDC17_CP04 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP14 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP20 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_C46 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_C54 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17C64 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17C74 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17CP74 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MD1_CS004 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MD1CS014 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MD1_CS104 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED9.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED9.5.10 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.6 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.21 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.27 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.61 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5.2 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5.5 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5.20 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5.21 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH ME17.5.24 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5.25 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH ME17.5.26 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS002 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS011 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS163 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS164 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 12.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 12.2 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.2 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.3 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.4 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.6 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.10 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 19.3 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 19.6 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 19.7 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
DELPHI DCM6.2V The actuator plug must be unplugged.
Vauxhall 1 control module
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH EDC17_C84 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
VW 49 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH EDC17_CP04 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP14 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP20 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP24 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP44 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_CP54 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_C46 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17_C54 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17C64 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17C74 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH EDC17CP74 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MD1_CS004 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MD1CS014 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MD1_CS104 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED9.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED9.5.10 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.6 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.21 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.27 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.61 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.62 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.1.65 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5.2 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5.5 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5.20 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5.21 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH ME17.5.24 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MED17.5.25 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH ME17.5.26 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS002 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS011 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS163 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH MG1CS164 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 12.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 12.2 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.1 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.2 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.3 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.4 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.6 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 18.10 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 19.3 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 19.6 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL SIMOS 19.7 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
DELPHI DCM6.2V The actuator plug must be unplugged.
Alpine 1 control module
Control module What the job involves
HITACHI BED501 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
Aston Martin 1 control module
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH ME17.8.31 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BMW Motorrad 3 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH ME9.2.0 No extra steps
BOSCH ME17.2 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
BOSCH ME17.2.42 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
Dodge 1 control module
Control module What the job involves
CONTINENTAL GPEC2A The actuator plug must be unplugged.
Ducati 3 control modules
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH ME17.9.21 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
CONTINENTAL M4D The actuator plug must be unplugged.
SIEMENS M3C No extra steps
Evo 1 control module
Control module What the job involves
BOSCH MD1CS089 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
Liebherr 1 control module
Control module What the job involves
LIDEC ECU 2 The actuator plug must be unplugged.
Volkswagen 5 control modules
Control module What the job involves
DELPHI DCM6.2V No extra steps
BOSCH MED17.1.62 No extra steps
BOSCH MED17.1.6 No extra steps
BOSCH ME7.1.1 No extra steps
BOSCH MED17.1.63 No extra steps
HOW TO READ THIS

Each row is a control module we have a working solution for. The note tells you what typically also has to happen on the car, because where a part has to be unplugged that is mechanical work on the vehicle, not something a file alone can do.

We have more than one route to most of these jobs, so the requirements on your car are confirmed when we look at it rather than taken from this table. Treat the notes as what to expect, not as a fixed instruction.

Marked New means the solution is recent, so we check those individually before quoting.

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